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on the so-called fiscal cliff. and then remarks from congressman paul ryan and senator marco rubio from the kemp foundation awards dinner. >> this week on the c-span networks, hurricane sandy response and housing issues. wednesday, the fema administrator joins the housing secretary before the senate appropriations committee, to testify about hurricane recovery efforts. live coverage at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 3. on tuesday, he secretary testifies on the federal housing administration and fiscal issues. see that live, starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern, here on c-span. [delaware runyan -- [bell ringing] >> follow harry truman's eldest grandson to hiroshima to mark the dropping of the atomic bomb in 1945. >> everybody has their own view of what happened. i do not want to argue civil rights with anybody in japan about the history. i think we are past that. my whole purpose for being here is to honor the dead, to listen to the living, and to see that this does not happen again. >> in washington, he discusses the inspi
on the so-called fiscal cliff. and then remarks from congressman paul ryan and senator marco rubio from the kemp foundation awards dinner. >> this week on the c-span networks, hurricane sandy response and housing issues. wednesday, the fema administrator joins the housing secretary before the senate appropriations committee, to testify about hurricane recovery efforts. live coverage at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 3. on tuesday, he secretary testifies on the federal housing administration...
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the only thing i would add is the package, what makes this so critical in the fiscal cliff discussion, is we are talking about the past for the 2012 taxable year. -- unlike the rest of the fiscal cliff which effects rates that will apply next year. the patch applies for returns we file early next year. if there is no congressional action, there is an abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year. in 2011, approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there is not a patch, 30 million people will be required to pay the amt in 2012, and they will pay an additional $90 billion in tax. very few of them have any idea this is on the table. host: is the irs prepared? guest: the irs is fairly unusual, but in a correct position, that congress will do the responsible thing -- they took the position that congress will do the responsible thing. they assumed congress will enact a package before the end of the year, and i think that was the reasonable thing to do because i believe they will do that. however, it does mean if there is not a patch of the tax return filing season next year will be q
the only thing i would add is the package, what makes this so critical in the fiscal cliff discussion, is we are talking about the past for the 2012 taxable year. -- unlike the rest of the fiscal cliff which effects rates that will apply next year. the patch applies for returns we file early next year. if there is no congressional action, there is an abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year. in 2011, approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there is not a patch, 30 million people...
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so while we're stuck on thinking about tax rates increases versus revenue, this fiscal cliff issue much larger. talks about the debt ceiling and what that means for next year. treasury saying that sometime early next year they will run out of those extraordinary measures and the u.s. will have to raise the debt ceiling or default. back to you. ashley: very good point. rich edson in d.c. thanks very much. tracy: our next guest says, forget taxes. washington needs to focus on cutting entitlement spending if we want to prevent a battle between old and young americans. diana further got roth, senior fellow at man hat taken institute and joins us now. diana, seems to me raising the retirement age is the simplest thing you could do yet we're not talking about that. >> well, we certainly should be because part of the deficit problem, a great part, is entitlements, social security and medicare, keep adding fiscal burdens as people's live expectancy increases and it's great that people are living longer but when social security was first thought of the life expectancy was only 67. now it is arou
so while we're stuck on thinking about tax rates increases versus revenue, this fiscal cliff issue much larger. talks about the debt ceiling and what that means for next year. treasury saying that sometime early next year they will run out of those extraordinary measures and the u.s. will have to raise the debt ceiling or default. back to you. ashley: very good point. rich edson in d.c. thanks very much. tracy: our next guest says, forget taxes. washington needs to focus on cutting entitlement...
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cliff, if we roll over that fiscal cliff and all of those bad things come to bear, the tax increases and the spending reductions, collectively they make $607 billion. and if we apply that to next year's deficit, we still won't reduce next year's annual deficit to the level of what used to be the highest deficit in american history run up under the bush administration. we can roll right over the fiscal cliff, create $607 billion in savings we didn't have before, and we still won't have reduced our annual budget deficit to what was formerly the highest budget deficit in american history before the obama administration. that's how far out of whack we are. i'm not trying to blame the president for that. i think there is some blame here, there is blame everywhere. i only say the obama administration so folks understand this is a problem that has existed as long as i have been alive, we have been running systemic deficits. but in the bush administration we were running the highest deficit in american history and today they are four times larger. and if we roll over the fiscal cliff and eve
cliff, if we roll over that fiscal cliff and all of those bad things come to bear, the tax increases and the spending reductions, collectively they make $607 billion. and if we apply that to next year's deficit, we still won't reduce next year's annual deficit to the level of what used to be the highest deficit in american history run up under the bush administration. we can roll right over the fiscal cliff, create $607 billion in savings we didn't have before, and we still won't have reduced...
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find out next. >> announcer: tomorrow on "squawk box," negotiating a deal on the fiscal cliff. we'll talk about possible paths to a compromise with our guest host former treasury seculretary secretary larry summers. don't miss "squawk box" tomorrow starting at 6:00 a.m. eastern. [ penélope ] i found the best cafe in the world. nespresso. where i never have to compromise on anything. ♪ where just one touch creates the perfect coffee. where every cappuccino and latte...